From Global Health to Climate: Shaping Markets Across Sectors, with Dai Ellis

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• 09:12

  The stance of a market shaper is fundamentally to occupy a middle ground on that question: to neither, capitalism is what's causing this problem in the first place, which is not without any truth obviously, nor at the other end of the spectrum to say, markets will solve this. To choose to be a market shaper is to say there's truth in both of those things, that, like, there's truth in the idea that markets are a powerful way to organize incentives and organize human behavior and action toward outcomes, and they're deeply flawed when left unattended and unregulated in terms of, you know, what outcomes you are going to see from that.

• 08:05

  You have to have power to market shape, but it's not just financial power or government power, like hard power. A lot of it is soft power. How do we assemble soft power and other forms of, you know, influence and steerability? And then how do we put that to work, and coordinate efforts to get us more quickly from place A to place B?

• 24:49

  I think Cascade is very explicitly trying to offer itself up as an orchestrator for specific market shaping initiatives. Your ability to orchestrate is fundamentally targeted or limited. But you're trying to do that in high… Oh, I hate the word leverage, but highly leveraged, wise.